2/01/16

Mama's Red Velvet Cake with Ermine Frosting

A tried-and-true family recipe with classic Ermine Frosting, the original cooked flour buttercream frosting, traditional to heirloom Southern Red Velvet cakes.

We went over to Mama and Daddy’s for supper yesterday and when I walked through to door there sat the layers for a red velvet cake cooling on racks.

awwwwwwww yeeeaaahhhhhh…

Mama was already cooking ribs, greasy rice and sweet potatoes and now there’s going to be red velvet cake too??

Praise the Lord!


Mama's Red Velvet Cake with Cooked Buttercream Frosting! This is an old fashioned, heirloom Southern recipe for classic red velvet cake and the original cooked flour buttercream frosting.

A lot of people associate red velvet cake with cream cheese frosting – and since I never met a cream cheese frosting I didn’t like, that’s A-OK with me – but our old fashioned family recipe for red velvet cake uses what some folks call a ‘cooked frosting’ or ‘boiled icing’.

And I love it.

You boil flour, sugar and milk together to make the base, let it cool, then mix it with butter to make a butter cream that will blow your mind!


Mama's Red Velvet Cake with Cooked Buttercream Frosting! This is an old fashioned, heirloom Southern recipe for classic red velvet cake and the original cooked flour buttercream frosting.

It’s very stable and doesn’t have to be refrigerated (though, you can if you want). It also stands up to humidity and fluctuating temperatures like we’re prone to here in the South.

I’ve eaten a lot of red velvet cake in my day but I have to tell you, this recipe is, hands-down, my favorite. The cake is super moist and, well, velvety. And the icing reminds you of something your grandma would have made.

If you’re looking for a true, authentic, Southern red velvet cake recipe, this cake is what you’re looking for!


Mama's Red Velvet Cake with Cooked Buttercream Frosting! This is an old fashioned, heirloom Southern recipe for classic red velvet cake and the original cooked flour buttercream frosting.

Side note: I wish I'd gotten better pictures. We were running out of daylight and I didn't take the time and care to prep and stage things right to get the best photos.

PS... pictures of cakes and pies are THE HARDEST types of food photos to take! In case you ever wondered ;)

But as you can see here, Angel Baby was a HUGE help!


Mama's Red Velvet Cake with Ermine Frosting

Mama's Red Velvet Cake with Ermine Frosting
Yield: 12 Servings
Author: Mandy Rivers | South Your Mouth
Prep time: 30 MinCook time: 35 MinInactive time: 2 HourTotal time: 3 H & 5 M
A tried-and-true family recipe with classic Ermine Frosting, the original cooked flour buttercream frosting, traditional to heirloom Southern Red Velvet cakes.

Ingredients

Red Velvet Cake:
  • 1/2 cup butter, at room temperature
  • 1 1/2 cups sugar
  • 2 eggs
  • 2 tablespoons cocoa powder
  • 1 1-oz. bottle red food coloring
  • 2 teaspoons vanilla extract
  • 1 teaspoon salt
  • 2 1/4 cups cake flour
  • 1 cup buttermilk
  • 1 1/2 teaspoons baking soda
  • 1 tablespoon white vinegar
Ermine Frosting (Cooked Buttercream):
  • 5 tablespoons flour
  • 1 cup sugar
  • 1/4 teaspoon salt
  • 1 cup milk
  • 1 cup butter, at room temperature
  • 1 teaspoon vanilla extract

Instructions

Red Velvet Cake:
  1. Preheat oven to 350 degrees. Grease and flour 2 9-inch round cake pans.
  2. Cream butter and sugar with an electric mixer at medium-high speed until fluffy and smooth (about 4 minutes). Add eggs, one at a time, mixing after each addition. 1/2 C butter, 1.5 C sugar, 2 eggs
  3. Meanwhile, mix cocoa powder, food coloring, vanilla extract and salt together in a small bowl to make a thin paste; add to butter mixture then mix until well combined. 2 Tbsp cocoa powder, 1 oz food color, 2 tsp vanilla, 1 tsp salt
  4. Starting and ending with flour, gradually add flour alternately with buttermilk to butter mixture until well combined. 2.25 C cake flour, 1 C buttermilk
  5. Mix baking soda and vinegar in a small bowl (it will foam - that's OK!) then fold into batter by hand until well combined. 1.5 tsp baking soda, 1 Tbsp vinegar
  6. Pour batter into prepared pans then bake at 350 degrees for 25-30 minutes or until cooked through. Cool completely then frost with Ermine Frosting (Cooked Buttercream).
  7. Store in an air-tight container at room temperature.
Ermine Frosting (Cooked Buttercream):
  1. Add flour, sugar and salt to a small saucepan then whisk to break up any lumps. Whisk in milk then heat and stir over medium-high heat until mixture just starts to bubble. 5 Tbsp flour, 1 C sugar, 1/4 tsp salt, 1 C milk
  2. Reduce heat to medium-low then cook and stir 1-2 minutes or until thickened (about the consistency of pudding). Remove from heat then stir in vanilla. Cool completely, stirring occasionally to prevent a skin from forming on top. 1 tsp vanilla
  3. Once the cooked flour mixture is COMPLETELY COOL (no warmer than 70 degrees), move on to the next step.
  4. Whip butter with an electric mixer at medium-high speed until fluffy (about 2-3 minutes). 1 C butter
  5. Gradually add cooled flour mixture, 2 heaping tablespoons at a time, mixing at medium speed until fully incorporated before adding more.
  6. Continue mixing until creamy, well combined and spreadable.

Notes

  • Cake flour is best for a soft, tender cake but regular AP flour works in a pinch.
  • Any flour will work with the frosting.
  • Use real, salted butter in this and all my recipes.
  • The cakes and flour mixture for frosting MUST BE COMPLETLEY COOL before making frosting or icing the cakes.
  • The butter for the frosting needs to be at room temperature but not too soft. You want to be able to easily put your finger in it, but also still be able to pick it up - when you can do both of those things, it's the perfect temperature. 
  • For brighter, whiter frosting, use clear vanilla extract. I've heard you can add a speck of violet food coloring (like from the tip of a toothpick) to balance the yellow from the butter but I never have any issues. Higher fat, European butter is usually darker and more yellow so stick with the store brand like I do and you should be good to go ;-)
  • I have better results using a hand-held mixer to make the frosting. The giant whisk of the stand-mixer can deposit sizeable air bubbles and the paddle attachment doesn't aerate it enough. If using a stand-mixer, use the whisk attachment then stir with a rubber spatula to smooth out any large air pockets.
  • If the frosting seems too thin, the ingredients are too warm. Let it cool more then mix again. 
  • If the frosting seems curdled, the butter is likely too cool. Just keep mixing and it will eventually smooth out. 
  • Yes, I have heard red food coloring is the devil and anyone feeding it to their kids should be drawn and quartered. If you don't want to use it, you should probably not try to make red velvet cake. 


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dessert
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55 comments:

  1. Thank you! Finally someone blogs about the best frosting for Red Velvet. I do not understand why so many people think Red Velvet goes with cream cheese frosting.
    We always made this cooked frosting. We call it Ermine Frosting. Any other is just not true Red Velvet.

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    1. I agree! NO cream cheese frosting on red velvet cake or cupcakes!

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    2. Well, well....you learn something new everyday. I've never tried this cooked buttercream frosting. I always thought you put cream cheese frosting on red velvet cakes. Will this recipe be enough to cover the entire cake?

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    3. I have been making Red Velvet cakes for 45 years and this is the first time I have seen the correct recipe for it. The only difference is powdered sugar is used in the icing. The recipe also calls for you to cut each layer with a thread to make 4 layers. We always refrigerated this cake. I have made green and blue velvet cakes also. The icing is awesome on an orange cake.

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    4. You are absolutely correct! One change I made years ago was the use of Confectioner's Sugar instead of regular, granulated sugar. It mixes in so much more quickly and completely. This frosting is light, fluffy, creamy and is not sickeningly sweet like cream cheese frosting is.

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    5. I have avoided making Red Velvet because as a kid my friends mom who was from England made the best RV cake ever. I've never had any other I liked. The problem was the frosting! I dislike cream cheese frostings on cake. I decided to try my hand and started looking for different kinds of frostings and found this! This is what I've missed since I was a girl. Thank you for the recipe! My husband is about to be a happy camper.

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  2. This looks absolutely delightful! I'm really excited to try the frosting recipe. This recipe is a keeper for sure!

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  3. I'm going to try the frosting first on my husband's chocolate birthday cake! yum!

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  4. I'm going to try the frosting first on my husband's chocolate birthday cake! yum!

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  5. I think the pictuers look great!! Good enough for me to make this cake this weekend for my husbnds birthday! And I call my youngest Angel Baby too!! :)

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    1. Do you REALLY?! I've never met anyone else who used that name! Love it!

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  6. Oh my Goodness!!!!!! This sounds so yummy! Can't wait to make it and that frosting is so yummy! Thank you for sharing your Mama's recipe.
    Diane M.

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  7. Love your recipes Mandy....but your posts are the best...you have the most fabulous sense of humor....

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    1. I've made this cake and icing for 60 yrs , Can't imagine putting cream cheese frosting on it. YES you can use regular flour . I use this icing on all my cakes. Oh my goodness so so yummy.

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  8. Delicious. Red Velvet cake is my husband's favorite and this looks better than my recipe. We are having a surprise 65th bday party for him and to check it out I made a sample one for him before I make it for his party. He loved it! He said it was the best I had ever made. So now I have a question. I am making Texas sheet cake for the chocolate lovers and would love to put this on the menu too. Do you think I could make sheet cakes out of this as well? I think it would be fabulous but wanted your opinion. Thanks for all the new ideas. This midwestern cook loves them.

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    1. Yes, totally! Obviously, you'll have to adjust the cooking time but I'm sure you'll figure it out. I almost always make my cakes in 13x9 pans. It's just so much easier to store and transport that way!

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    2. And give your husband a BIG FAT KISS for the compliment and tell him Happy Birthday!

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    3. Hi Mandy,
      I found your blog and aside from LOVING your recipes your post notes and hints have me absolutely rolling, tears down the cheeks rolling. Most recently I did the stir fry egg roll post...BINGO! Another winner. My daughter will be having her "leaving the 30's behind" birthday in a couple weeks. Red velvet is her most favorite and I just know you've given us a winner....Again!!<3

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  9. My husband's favorite cake just got better with your recipe! I'm going to make this for him for Valentine's Day. I'll even try the boiled frosting. I must confess, though, I LOVE cream cheese frosting. Thanks for another great recipe!

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  10. This is the recipe that my family has made forever. So many family get-togethers and memories. I always feel bad for the people that think cream cheese frosting is the way to go. Once you try the cooked buttercream you will never go back.

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  11. Hello from Montreal,Canada! Is it necessary to use the whole bottle of food coloring? I was wondering if the batter would still be red if I cut it down to 1-2 Tablespoons?

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    1. I *think* one ounce is only 2 tablespoons. I could be wrong, but I think that's right. You're certainly welcome to use less - it won't change the flavor!

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  12. There's always room for Red Velvet Cake. Love it.

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  13. OH My...I would love to try this recipe! My daughter loves red velvet. We have always used the box mix. I would so love to try homemade. Looks delicious!!

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  14. Finally, a recipe with the frosting my grandma made for red velvet cake! I always make it this way. I don't know when cream cheese frosting became the go-to.

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  15. I have always wanted to make a red velvet cake from scratch and icing too.....well, I tried this and it was so easy and delicious!!!!! I can truly say I have not been disappointed with your recipes...thanks for this awesome recipe and the many many others!!!

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  16. Makes me just want to lick my screen!

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  17. no cream cheese frosting on my Red Velvet cake. My aunt always made the frosting with all purpose flour and Crisco, not butter. Will have to try your version of the frosting.

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  18. We call this frosting Mock whipped Cream. It is good but cream cheese is better. I use 8 oz. of cream cheese and 8 oz. salted butter. Alan Jackson has the best red velvet cake recipe ever!

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  19. This looks scrumptious! However, how could I use red beets in place of the food coloring? I cannot and never would use red food coloring as it is formulated from bugs. Thank you!

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    1. Red beets would change consistency and flavor. Just leave out the red food coloring. But I bet you already knew that answer, didn't you?

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  20. Yeahhhhh! My mama made this cake for me every year on my birthday. The icing is the best!!! Thank you for bringing back some great memories =)

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  21. instead of the 9 inch pans, would this work in a large bundt cake pan.... ? this looks really good

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  22. Awesome recipe luks simply delicious will try soon I m big fan of urs I hv tried many of your recipes and came out really well. thanks.

    Hebbars
    http://hebbarskitchen.com/

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  23. This looks like the cake my mom made me every year for my birthday. I haven't had this cake in 12 years. I will have to check my recipe to see if it is the same recipe.

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  24. Wow am going to make this for Easter yum!!

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  25. Yes, this is the frosting my mama always made, too! I make it exactly by her recipe, but somehow it doesn't taste quite the same. :( I always knew there was a red velvet cake in the making when it was time for homecoming at church. I wasn't the only one - several of the women would sneak their servings and hide them in the church kitchen before the eating started. Wonderful memories....

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  26. I made this for the first time tonight,followed the recipe closely and..........it was absolutely amazing!!!! Moist,chocolatey loveliness. Thanks for a fab recipe.

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  27. There is absolutely NOTHING in the world like red velvet and Ermine frosting. I've only ever had it with cream cheese frosting once, and never again! The cream cheese kills the delicate chocolate flavor. Ick! This is the exact recipe my grandma and my mom have used for many years and now my sons all ask for it for all of their birthdays. In fact, I will be making 100 red velvet cupcakes for my son's graduation party this Saturday along with 100 fresh strawberry shortcake cupcakes. Gonna be a busy girl!

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  28. Hi Mandy! Great name! ;) I just love your blog! I moved to the lowcountry from TN about 5 years ago and just could not jump on the grits wagon. That is until I tried your shrimp and grits! Wowza! So delicious! I have a question about the butter. Say all I have is unsalted and I wanted to be cheapo peapo and not buy any more, how much salt would you recommend adding to the icing to make up for the missing salt in the butter?

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  29. Hey Mandy,
    I only read so many comments so this might have been answered but Yes you can use regular all-purpose flour for the cooked frosting...it's what my Great Grandma used and was passed down. I will say, though, that we always cooked on medium heat, as opposed to medium-high that you cook on with cake flour, because you do have to cook it "lower and slower" to make sure you cook the flour taste out of it. But I am definitely going to try using your cake flour version. I'd venture to say that yours cooks up quicker without standing and stirring in front of the stove for 20-30 minutes. (yeah...to get it 'just right', it takes a LOT of patience). So happy I found your recipe using cake flour. BTW, I totally agree with everyone else that thinks "NO cream cheese frosting on Red Velvet Cake. EVER". I grew up in West Virginia, the northern part of the South. :D I only knew of Red Velvet Cake being made this way until I was an adult and learned that others swore by Cream Cheese Frosting. That's blasphemy in my book! LOL

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  30. OH, I forgot to mention...my Grandma sometimes used Vanilla, Butter and Nut extract instead of vanilla. It does tint the frosting a bit but it gives the frosting a yummy spin on plain ol' vanilla. But I am NOT knocking it. This frosting ROCKS and everyone in our family loves it.

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  31. Cream cheese is good for a lot of things, but it destroys a good Red Velvet Cake.
    Ermine frosting all the way!! There is no other viable RV frosting in the world.

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  32. My red velvet cake recipe has this icing and we love it....this recipe was given to me many years ago...and it was an old recipe then...it was called Waldorf Astoria cake

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    1. I have an old cookbook with the Waldorf recipe. Wondering if it’s the same recipe? I haven’t tried it yet!

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  33. The icing is amazing! Had to make a double batch to cover the cake properly. Definitely a keeper recipe.

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  34. Judging from the comments, I must the the only one who screwed this one up. I had this planned for my Thanksgiving dessert (I'm not a pie fan). I made it today, the day before and it was just awful. The actual cake was only very faintly red and it had an artificial taste. The icing was the real loser though. The flour/milk cooled to a gelatinous mess. When I added it to the sugar/butter and vanilla, it mixed but would never break up all the way, leaving small clumps with a gummy mouthfeel. The whole thing together left a really awful aftertaste. Luckily, my local bakery has fantastic cakes because after this disaster, I didn't have the heart to try again with a different recipe. Ug.

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  35. What a beautiful cake! And I love cooked buttercream frosting. I haven't made it in a while, I need to change that!

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  36. I happened upon this recipe and love that the icing isnt cream cheese. I always thought the cream cheese icing was just too sweet for this cake. Havent tried it yet but hopefully soon. I will let you know how it turned out. Thanks for sharing.

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  37. Oh my gosh! Ive never seen RV Cake without cream cheese icing YUK! Except for my Moms. Similar to your recipe. Its made with canned milk.YUMMYYY! Taste like a heavy whipped cream icing! I guess both our Moms were great cooks. (Mom will be 97 in April) Peepers Mommy near PITTSburgh PA. ❤

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  38. I almost cried when I made this cake. I finally got it right. This recipe is absolutely perfect. Thank you Mandy!

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  39. Can I use this recipe for cupcakes?

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  40. This is almost the exact recipe my great grandmother and grandmother used for Red Velvet Cake during the Great Depression. That recipe has been passed down through many members of our family. My Mom and I still make it by the recipe from the G.D. The only variation from this recipe is we don't use any eggs in the batter as the soda and vinegar are used to create volume in the layers. We do bake the cake in two or 3 layers and frost with the custard "buttercream" Ermine frosting.

    You can also make oatmeal sandwich cookies using this same frosting between two freshly baked oatmeal cookies. My kids and grandkids love them!

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  41. No refrigerate icing-WONDERFUL, easy, convenient, yummy. Thank you -Erin

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Hi there! While I’m not able to respond to every comment, I try hard to answer any questions that haven’t been addressed in the post, recipe or in other comments.

I can tell you now 1) I have no idea if you can substitute Minute Rice or brown rice in my recipes because I’ve never used them and 2) If I know how to convert a recipe to a Crock Pot version, I will make a note about it (otherwise, I don’t know).

And though I may not respond to them all, I do read each and every comment and I LOVE to hear from you guys! Thanks, y’all! - Mandy